Greenland Again
Again, I am baffled by this. The magnificent negotiator in the White House insults the owners, then wonders why the response to an attempt to buy is met with 'over my dead body'. Then his puppet vice president pays a visit to Greenland to play the age-old 'we're doing this for you, Denmark have let you down' card to the Greenlanders, whilst back at the White House, Mr Negotiator is trotting out that old line about how this isn't for America, it's for the world.
OK, let's look at those positions. Greenlanders want independence. They don't simply want to be sold off to someone else. Trump could have used that to his advantage. He could have offered to support Greenland in its bid, an alliance which could see Greenland ostensibly have independence, but with military support from America, who would be paid with the minerals everyone is salivating over.
World peace: If this was REALLY what this was about, America could have worked with Denmark, which has always been a close ally (not for much longer, I fear). America does not need to own Greenland to help protect it.
Again, this is not about work security or the poor little Greenlanders suffering under the rule of Denmark. It's about power. It's about America breaking old alliances in favour of going it alone in the fight for what is, with the melting ice, becoming a prime but of real estate that it doesn't want to share (except, possibly, with Putin.)
But we'll hear all about how it's all for everyone's benefit, because this is America, so selfless and generous. If this was about saving the world from China and Russia, as I said, there's ways to go about it that do not necessitate America owning Greenland. But that wouldn't be a feather in anyone's cap, would it?
There was a chance a genuinely decent negotiator could have come to a suitable arrangement. No chance of that now, having soured relations with Denmark and having failed to win over the Greenlanders, despite Trump's confidence that the US takeover was what the people wanted.
Trump has said there are not plans to invade Greenland. How jolly generous of him. If he changes his mind,I am sure his pal Putin could advise him.
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Scarbrems,
There is something behind all of this....trump doesn't care about anything other than what might be of financial benefit to himself.
That was proven, at least to me, when he demanded that the people in Gaza, be moved and that area be built like another Riviera...
I believe he would surely be right there building another golf club, to put his name on.
The officials in Greenland, made it clear they did not want any part of trump's offers.
Indeed there is a military base somewhere over there, and that's the excuse he is making to almost demand that Greenland give in to his offers.
Also, right now trump has suddenly become concerned about the farmers in South Africa, he wants to offer them special immigration rights, so they can come here, he said their government isn't treating them right...I believe musk has something to do with that...since that's where he comes from.
What is happening to the farming industry here doesn't seem to bother him, he says we will be troubled for short period, but things will be better in after that...he's out of his mind...
I believe that the democracy, as we Americans have know it, will never return...yet, I do not believe the majority of the everyday American people want such changes...
This country has been run, quietly by the wealthy, and now they intend to take over completely.
I certainly hope I'm wrong, for my grandchildren's sake...not for me, I'm much too old to worry about my life, but for my children, and their children.
My daughter just retired this July, and was planning on doing some traveling, she had planned to go to Africa, but it seems Americans must now apply for special visas..something that was not required before trump.
Yes, trump's a man that believes he is above the law, and should be allowed to deal with any country as he sees fit...It is turning the United States up side down!
Just Some Thoughts
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Yes, it's funny that, isn't it. No more immigrants - except white SA farmers whose government aren't treating them right. So, the people coming in on boats are being treated wonderfully well at home, then, and are just risking life and limb for a jolly adventure, are they?
I thought Trump's America wanted to pull up the drawbridge and be self-sufficient. He'll want to be looking after his own farmers, then, surely?
RE: Greenland Again
This is a potent piece from Rachel Maddow' show highlighting the shameful nature and the damage done to international relations by the whole Greenland affair...
https://youtu.be/AGYqItiPYsQ?si=lgI5DVvdK40ph_jB
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That will be interesting viewing, Steve.
There's a sort of fascinating horror about watching the 'leader of the free world' stumble about alienating the free world whilst drawing closer to the leader of the somewhat less free Russia. I'm wondering when the 'little chats' with Xi Jinping will start.
But of course, I'm not supposed to be bothered about all this, am I? It is, after all, nothing to do with me, and I didn't get a say in who leads the free world (or, more accurately, claims to).
RE: Greenland Again
To correct my earlier post about the lack of intention to take Greenland by force, apparently that's only because Vance thinks it won't be necessary because Greenlanders apparently want to be taken over by the US.
So I'm guessing when that isn't quite the expected response, the US could potentially attempt a forced takeover of a peaceful country owned by an ally. Hmmm. Wonder how that will go?
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What is scary to me is that the Republican party has simply given up to trump, they are behind him...and he is pushing along to see just how far he can go.
Part of all of this, I believe, is simply to satisfy his sick ego..
I have to say this country is never going to be the same...Right now the agencies that trump has dealt with, by executive orders, include services to people that have little to no health insurance, mental health assistance, and yet there are people right here on Fanstory that are applauding what is going on.
Making stupid statements, like musk is a godsend, I cannot believe how anyone here can applaud what's going on...I think people are so tied to trump, that they don't bother to do any kind of research, or they are listening only to the far right media.
What's going on here, isn't only an American problem, it is becoming a problem for countries we have always treated as allies. trump doesn't seem to understand how important such relationships are, and how they each other.
This tariff fight is causing his own supporters to finally begin to see the results...and now he doesn't want people to be allowed to speak out...what's next...
Well, I'm looking forward to our Tea Party, and to the goodies, that will put a smile on my face....(that's the old lady speaking)...lol
Just Some Thoughts
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I wonder where our two dear friends are, the ones who can justify Trump's every move or at least see that we should wait and see how it all plays out!
Just saw a comment somewhere - what authority does Trump have to 'annex' Greenland?
He's not going to get it by negotiation or purchase so annexation is his only option. It is highly doubtful that Denmark and the rest of NATO are going to let him simply stroll in and take possession. Surely a military takeover would be a step too far for even the most cowardly Congress. Would the Pentagon even obey the command if he ordered them to invade and if they did, what would be the cost in human lives and financially?
Oh, if only Lance and harambe were here to give us their considered opinion!
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Perhaps they are two among the millions who have finally realised that one can only go so far in defending insanity, megalomania and treachery?
Whether they have the courage to admit it, as so many are reluctantly doing, is another matter.
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They might have finally realized there's no way any one with even a bit of common sense, could excuse what's going on now.
I don't understand how trump thinks he has the right to take over...Greenland is a self-governing territory of Denmark...yet I watched him as he said, we need it for our national security.
It's not going to happen, but it sounds good to continue spouting those words...it makes him sound like a strong leader, but to me he sounds like a child playing games.
Just Some Thoughts
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You want to know where we are? We're busy doing other things.
Both Lance and I write and review extensively on the site. I have hosted a new contest every day here for the last week. You are welcome to join in on those contests, or review our work.
Victoria made very quite clear that she respected neither us nor our opinions, so we gave her what she wished for. I am not going to elaborate any further on this. It's quite clear we are not welcome, except to be made fun of.
Even if that were not the case, our comments on these threads get wiped periodically, so we have very little to show for the effort. If I spend the same time reviewing people's stuff, they improve as writers. I'd rather go somewhere where I am appreciated.
Clear enough for ya?
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