23 days ago
Are we there yet?
This question is aimed at our two co-travellers who fully support Trump and everything he does and say he has a democratic mandate ( that's lancellot)
or who say 'let's give him a fair chance, he's done some good stuff, let's wait and see (that's Harambe)
Are we there yet - at that point where it finally dawns on you that trump has every intention of being a completely lawless president who disregards the Constitution and ignores every law that he wants to because 'hey, I'm the president and I can do what I want.'
The question arises most notably with the latest episode where the administration decided in their infinite wisdom to send a bunch of floks who may or may not have been Venezuelan and who may or may not have been members of a criminal gang to the tender mercies of El Salvador where they have now been thrust into indefinite detention in what seems like a rather nasty terrorist prison.
Oh, I forgot to mention that they may also have been or not been American citizens. Who could know?
When a judge found out about this she immediately ordered that the whole process should immediately stop - that any planes already in the air should turn around and any still in the US should definitely not take off. Trump and/or his officials (widely reported that the ghoulish Stephen Miller was heavily involved) simply gave a big FU to the judge - two planes kept flying and a third one later took off.
So there you have it - Trump openly defying a court order although it is possible that by tomorrow they will have tried some weaselly way of justifying what they have done.
All of this is BAD for a variety of reasons:
1. There does not seem to have been any legal process to determine whether or not these prisoners were or were not actually members of a criminal gang.
2. Even if they were they have not been convicted of anything.
3. The president of El Salvador seems to be as much f a clown as Trump is and has promised to keep the men detained as long as Trump wants him to.
4. There is no public record of their identities - they could very well simply vanish off the face of the earth.
5. Trump is relying on a rarely used wartime Act applying to 'Enemy Aliens' to justify their deportation. The US is not at war so the Act clearly can't apply.
6. Most people think that defying a court order is a really bad thing.
I'll ask the question again. How far does this man have to go before you say, 'Too much.'?
last time I believe I phrased it as 'Does he have to rape your sister in front of you? Would that be enough?
Maybe this time I can ask 'Does he have to illegally lock up and deport a member of your family or a close colleague? Would that be your tipping point?
How about 'Does he have to name you in a widely broadcast speech as one of his personal enemies as he did to various lawyers in his speech at the DOJ this week? That would ruin your life, but would it be enough to make you see the evil that exists in this poor excuse for a human being?
Have at it!
23 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
This comment's just for Lancellot...
"Well this happened."
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23 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Well said, Steve.
I can answer you're question, and the answer is:
We will never be there!
Trump supporters will NEVER admit to the carnage he is causing, even if they or their families are directly hurt.
For a while I have meant to start a thread explaining that Trump supporters will be disproportionately hurt by Trump's policies, but you know they will never admit to it when it happens. But the rest of us will know and I plan on reminding them for the next four years. A lot more to say on this, but not sure if I will get to it.
22 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Yes, I'd like to get some more comments on this. Sometimes our illustrious friends prefer to pretend that no evil is happening.
21 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
So I guess lawlessness is ok then?
Bondi says the flights will go ahead. That's your Attorney General of the United States promising to break the law.
Are we there yet?
19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Hello...
Hello....
Hello...
Anybody out there?
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19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Just us iggorunt heathens, from the country known as Not America.
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19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Oh, You're not alone...I'm right here!
19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Just wondering why this whole Forum seems to have been deserted for days.
:O)
Steve
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19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Steve,
There's a lot going on, and I'll be posting tomorrow, I do believe the law is finally going to get busy...most especially against musk...It seems the judge is saying he violated the Constitution when he shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development, and he blocked musk from making any further cuts...
However, trump isn't giving up, and is still refusing to give requested information about the flights.
While trump once said he knew nothing about the
Project 2025, but to me it's obvious he is following that plan.
Just Some Thoughts
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19 days ago
RE: Are we there yet?
Steve,
There's a lot going on, and I'll be posting tomorrow, I do believe the law is finally going to get busy...most especially against musk...It seems the judge is saying he violated the Constitution when he shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development, and he blocked musk from making any further cuts...
However, trump isn't giving up, and is still refusing to give requested information about the flights.
While trump once said he knew nothing about the
Project 2025, but to me it's obvious he is following that plan.
Just Some Thoughts
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